Stuff White People Say

August 2, 2008

“Hey, I’m White… and I’m a newbie.”

Filed under: Uncategorized — nquest2xl @ 2:22 am

I’ll add some content once I stop laughing…

“I’m not starting to figure out race and whiteness right now. I’ve been intensively working on these topics and their related problems at several levels, professionally and otherwise and in many settings, for over a dozen years now.”

_____________________________  vs. ___________________________

I’m something of a newbie too, in terms of understanding whiteness, and in terms of writing a blog…”

[to be continued]

I really will try to make this about the clinging to the “newness” phenomenon but I just can’t stop laughing…

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9 Comments »

  1. self-destruction of an ‘expert’.

    Comment by jwbe — August 2, 2008 @ 12:21 pm | Reply

  2. As I wrote “newbie” yesterday, I wondered if someone here would jump on it because I wrote “twelve years” once before, in another comment. You’re quite the sharpshooter, Nq.

    But your laugh implies that you see a contradiction. I don’t see one.

    Twelve years isn’t a long time when the project is life-long, and the topic is so complex and deeply hidden. In terms of understanding my own whiteness, and then whiteness and race more generally, I am still a newbie.

    Still laughing, Joker?

    jwbe, as far as i know, I’ve never declared myself an ‘expert,’ so your quotation marks are fallacious.

    Comment by macon d — August 2, 2008 @ 2:43 pm | Reply

  3. Macon D, you said:

    Yet I’ve had long dialogues with him, and with Restructure, who yes, did make me defensive when she revealed that she’d constructed an image of me as a twenty-something neophyte who she’d been helping along on his baby-steps toward racial enlightenment. I think anyone in my positions would find that condescending conception of him or herself difficult to accept, and feel defensive.

    So what’s the difference between ‘neophyte’ and ‘newbie’, Macon D?

    Comment by Restructure! — August 2, 2008 @ 3:37 pm | Reply

  4. Ah… Macon’s trying that “who you’re going to believe? Me or your lying eyes” tactic.

    Silly Rabbit…

    In your 12 years post, you indicated that you were not a newbie or, as you put it then, a “neophyte.”

    So now I learn that you were spending so much time commenting on this blog because you thought you were holding a neophyte’s hand, walking him through the baby-steps of racism 101.

    Indeed, you insisted that you hadn’t just now, suddenly, “started to figure out… whiteness” — which stands in stark contradiction-contrast to you claiming to being a “newbie” as far as understanding Whiteness which certainly was not cast in the relative context of a life-long project.

    No, you cited 12 years + for how long you’ve been “intensively” working on “these topics” which obviously tried to create the picture/illusion that you’ve studied and, by extension, have come to understand whiteness et al as a result of a high degree of time, focus and/or effort spent working on the issue “in many settings” for many years.

    In fact, you called yourself responding to Restructure’s post which contrasted you “starting to figure it out right now” vs. “people who invest their lives into it.” So the very last face-saving move you should ever make is to raise the specter of a life-long project when you tried to suggest that working on Whiteness et al has been something you’ve invested in and made a part of your life for years.

    And, yes, I’m still laughing because with HYPOCRISY AS A WAY OF LIFE for you… you think you can lie your way out of anything. And it’s just so hilarious.

    You’re quite the sharpshooter, Nq.

    {*more laughter*}

    Now, as far as the complexity of the issue is concerned… Back in the “express amazement” thread when you tried to say you were not a “newbie” or neophyte, Restructure talked about complexity and rigor that was lacking from your view.

    Re: the “I’ve never declare myself an ‘expert’…” claim. Well…

    I think if my “credentials” were known, I’d probably have an additional aura of authority that you seem to be writing about here. I wonder if Tim Wise, for instance, gets a pass for calling on non-white voices for support that I don’t, because he’s trusted as an authority in a way that’s disallowed by my anonymity.

    THESAURUS entry: “EXPERT”

    A person with a high degree of knowledge or skill in a particular field: ace, adept, authority, dab hand, master, past master, professional, proficient, wizard.

    {*more laughter*}

    * I’ve been intensively working on these topics… professionally… for over a dozen years now.”
    * I think if my “credentials” were known, I’d probably have an additional aura of authority

    Comment by nquest2xl — August 2, 2008 @ 4:01 pm | Reply

  5. Main Entry: new·bie
    Pronunciation: \’nü-be, ‘nyü-\
    Function: noun Usage: often attributive
    Etymology: irregular from new
    Date: 1970 : 
    newcomer; especially : a newcomer to cyberspace

    Main Entry: new·com·er
    Pronunciation: \’nü-?k?-m?r, ‘nyü-\
    Function: noun
    Date: 15th century
    1 : one recently arrived
    2 : beginner, rookie

    Main Entry: be·gin·ner
    Pronunciation: \bi-‘gi-n?r, be-\
    Function: noun
    Date: 14th century
    : one that begins something; especially : an inexperienced person
    —————————————-

    Main Entry: 1ex·pert
    Pronunciation: \’ek-?sp?rt, ik-‘\
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French & Latin; Anglo-French, from Latin expertus, from past participle of experiri Date: 14th century
    1obsolete : experienced
    2: having, involving, or displaying special skill or knowledge derived from training or experience

    I mean Macon, you once told me I should take more classes to improve my English and this comes from somebody, you, who suffers from severe lack of comprehension skills and now you even don’t know the words of your own language.
    But I think, this is just symbolic for white supremacy and white privilege, intelligence is not necessary for white people.

    Comment by jwbe — August 2, 2008 @ 6:09 pm | Reply

  6. And I won’t even try to get this posted on your blog, where your racist white friends need a “safe space”, so I post it here.

    You wrote on your comment section:
    I also don’t see a need for me to challenge “problematic answers,” especially those displaying degrees of ignorance and/or racism, because this site now has a lot of smart, informed readers who always seem to jump in and do that instead–in most cases, I would just be repeating what they’re saying.

    First, this self-decorating with what you would allegedly answer, repeating the same like the “smart informed readers” is a lie. You know that. But that doesn’t matter to you. Because you are white.

    Finally, I also find that addressing problematic comments effectively can be very time consuming; I’m already spending too much of my spare time on the front-page posts here, and spending what time I do have on those posts strikes me as more worthwhile.
    “>http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/07/apologize-instead-of-compensate.html?showComment=1217594940000

    you also see nothing wrong with abusing the time of other people, you know, the smart ones. Who do unpaid labor just like you because of your problematic blog and people you nonetheless try to control to get the praise from white idiots, who don’t want to have to endure the consequences regardless what shyt they write, regardless how uninformed, stupid, offending, whatever, but no, the “smart ones” have to be nice, “civilized” to assholes, because this is just another law of whiteness and you are the protector of whiteness

    Comment by jwbe — August 2, 2008 @ 6:37 pm | Reply

  7. You’re getting pretty good at satire, jwbe. Me, as the protector of whiteness! Snort! That’s very funny–bravo!

    Comment by macon d — August 4, 2008 @ 9:24 pm | Reply

  8. You’re getting pretty good at satire, jwbe. Me, as the protector of whiteness! Snort! That’s very funny–bravo!

    Wow, Macon D, what a great response!!! You’ve obviously proved her wrong with that one, the argument from personal incredulity! After all, white people who self-identity as antiracists can’t act in ways that protect whiteness, because protecting whiteness must be an intentional act!

    I must learn from your superior argumentation abilities. You obviously got where you are because of your superior debating skills.

    Comment by Restructure! — August 10, 2008 @ 2:40 am | Reply

  9. and comprehension skills. I mean, this is cool to interpret writings the way you just need it [sarcasm off]

    Comment by jwbe — August 12, 2008 @ 10:59 am | Reply


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